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Title: Please pray for my motherís successful surgery, recuperation, and full conversio
Post by: Nctradcath on January 26, 2018, 07:48:35 AM
Dear Forum,

Please pray for my mother. She is having surgery today. Thank you all!

Jesus and Mary,
David
Title: Re: Please pray for my motherís successful surgery, recuperation, and full conversio
Post by: Lynne on January 26, 2018, 11:56:07 AM
 :pray:
Title: Re: Please pray for my motherís
Post by: 2Vermont on January 26, 2018, 03:38:14 PM
Will pray for her in my Rosary.
Title: Re: Please pray for my motherís successful surgery, recuperation, and full conversio
Post by: Barbara on January 26, 2018, 05:50:14 PM
Will pray for her health of body, mind, and spirit.

Title: Re: Please pray for my motherís successful surgery, recuperation, and full conversio
Post by: Alex on January 26, 2018, 10:09:12 PM
I'll pray, too-
Title: Re: Please pray for my motherís successful surgery, recuperation, and full conversio
Post by: MyrnaM on January 26, 2018, 10:49:03 PM
I just saw this, but God who knows everything He knows that I would have said a prayer for her before her surgery.

 :pray:  Never too late!

Title: Re: Please pray for my motherís successful surgery,
Post by: 2Vermont on January 28, 2018, 04:28:05 PM
David,

How is your mom doing?
Title: Re: Please pray for my motherís successful surgery, recuperation, and full conversio
Post by: Nctradcath on January 28, 2018, 05:26:52 PM
Thank you all. She made it through safely. She is recuperating nicely. Hopefully, the biopsy comes back negative😀.
Title: Re: Please pray for my motherís successful surgery, recuperation, and full conversio
Post by: Rubecorks on January 29, 2018, 05:13:11 PM
I just saw this, but God who knows everything He knows that I would have said a prayer for her before her surgery.

 :pray:  Never too late!

The Church never professed, or practiced, this idea of "never too late". That is not traditional. Saints have urgently prayed for people who were about to die, which shows they did not believe that prayers after death are applied to a person when they were living in the past. I have seen this pop up about two other times in the past 20 years, but it is an abuse of the idea that God knows the past and present.



Title: Re: Please pray for my motherís successful surgery, recuperation, and full conversio
Post by: Nctradcath on January 31, 2018, 06:06:05 PM
Deo Gratias! The stuff removed was non cancerous and they got it all 😀. Thank you all! This was a great blessing. Please add a quick Hail Mary for her conversion. 😀 Thank you all again.
Title: Re: Please pray for my motherís successful surgery, recuperation, and full conversio
Post by: ClemensMaria on February 03, 2018, 11:28:02 AM
I just saw this, but God who knows everything He knows that I would have said a prayer for her before her surgery.

 :pray:  Never too late!

The Church never professed, or practiced, this idea of "never too late". That is not traditional. Saints have urgently prayed for people who were about to die, which shows they did not believe that prayers after death are applied to a person when they were living in the past. I have seen this pop up about two other times in the past 20 years, but it is an abuse of the idea that God knows the past and present.
Itís not clear what you are saying here.  I would agree that we canít pray for a reversal of a known fact.  That would be offensive to God.  But for those things that are known only to God we can pray for. For example, someone dies and is known to be a member of the Church.  We can pray to God to give them the grace to die in a state of grace.  The saints would be diligently praying for someone prior to death because of the danger that the soul would fall away or continue separated from the Church.  If someone dies outside the Church then no prayer after the fact can ever reverse that.
Title: Re: Please pray for my motherís successful surgery, recuperation, and full conversio
Post by: Rubecorks on February 03, 2018, 11:49:29 AM
I just saw this, but God who knows everything He knows that I would have said a prayer for her before her surgery.

 :pray:  Never too late!

The Church never professed, or practiced, this idea of "never too late". That is not traditional. Saints have urgently prayed for people who were about to die, which shows they did not believe that prayers after death are applied to a person when they were living in the past. I have seen this pop up about two other times in the past 20 years, but it is an abuse of the idea that God knows the past and present.
Itís not clear what you are saying here.  I would agree that we canít pray for a reversal of a known fact.  That would be offensive to God.  But for those things that are known only to God we can pray for. For example, someone dies and is known to be a member of the Church.  We can pray to God to give them the grace to die in a state of grace.  The saints would be diligently praying for someone prior to death because of the danger that the soul would fall away or continue separated from the Church.  If someone dies outside the Church then no prayer after the fact can ever reverse that.

I am saying it is not within Catholic belief and practice to, for example, pray for the conversion of one's father after one knows he had died, expecting God to use those prayers because God would have known of any future prayers for his soul before the father's death. I have actually seen this twice before on a traditional Catholic forum.
Title: Re: Please pray for my motherís successful surgery, recuperation, and full conversio
Post by: ClemensMaria on February 03, 2018, 03:12:37 PM
Are you saying that God is bound by time?  Obviously, He cannot deny Himself.  Thatís a given.  And things that happen in time are a manifestation of His Devine Will.  But we are not only bound by time but we are not omniscient either.  So why would it be offensive to God to pray that the result of an operation is good even after the time that the operation is scheduled but before knowing the result?  If itís not offensive to God then why do you object?
Title: Re: Please pray for my motherís successful surgery, recuperation, and full conversio
Post by: Rubecorks on February 03, 2018, 05:14:43 PM
Are you saying that God is bound by time?  Obviously, He cannot deny Himself.  Thatís a given.  And things that happen in time are a manifestation of His Devine Will.  But we are not only bound by time but we are not omniscient either.  So why would it be offensive to God to pray that the result of an operation is good even after the time that the operation is scheduled but before knowing the result?  If itís not offensive to God then why do you object?

If it were good and beneficial to do, it would have been a part of the traditional ~2,000 years of Catholicism in praying for the dead. This absence is very significant...but if you can find something that shows it is not absent, be my guest and present it here.