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Barbara

Vigil of Christmas or Fourth Sunday of Advent?
« on: December 22, 2017, 05:27:29 AM »
I was reading in Dom Gueranger about December 24, the Vigil of Christmas, and he says that if December 24 falls on a Sunday, which it does this year, the Office and Mass of the Vigil should take precedence of the Office and Mass of the Fourth Sunday of Advent.

In the Saint Andrew Missal for the Vigil after the Collect it says, " This is the only Collect said, unless the Vigil falls on the Fourth Sunday of Advent: in this case, commemoration is made of this Sunday."

Does anyone know more about this, and if there were any changes made before Vatican II? Thanks.
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Rubecorks

Re: Vigil of Christmas or Fourth Sunday of Advent?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2017, 09:22:21 AM »
I was reading in Dom Gueranger about December 24, the Vigil of Christmas, and he says that if December 24 falls on a Sunday, which it does this year, the Office and Mass of the Vigil should take precedence of the Office and Mass of the Fourth Sunday of Advent.

In the Saint Andrew Missal for the Vigil after the Collect it says, " This is the only Collect said, unless the Vigil falls on the Fourth Sunday of Advent: in this case, commemoration is made of this Sunday."

Does anyone know more about this, and if there were any changes made before Vatican II? Thanks.

The Saint Andrew Missal conforms with what Dom Gueranger said. That is, the term "commemoration" of something means that is does not take precedence. In this case the Sunday is commemorated BECAUSE the Vigil of Christmas takes precedence.

 
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TKGS

Re: Vigil of Christmas or Fourth Sunday of Advent?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2017, 11:43:49 AM »
I was reading in Dom Gueranger about December 24, the Vigil of Christmas, and he says that if December 24 falls on a Sunday, which it does this year, the Office and Mass of the Vigil should take precedence of the Office and Mass of the Fourth Sunday of Advent.

In the Saint Andrew Missal for the Vigil after the Collect it says, " This is the only Collect said, unless the Vigil falls on the Fourth Sunday of Advent: in this case, commemoration is made of this Sunday."

Does anyone know more about this, and if there were any changes made before Vatican II? Thanks.

The Saint Andrew Missal conforms with what Dom Gueranger said. That is, the term "commemoration" of something means that is does not take precedence. In this case the Sunday is commemorated BECAUSE the Vigil of Christmas takes precedence.

This is correct.  When there is a "commemoration", this will be the second collect that the priest reads at the altar. 
 

2Vermont

Re: Vigil of Christmas or Fourth Sunday of Advent?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2017, 04:07:46 PM »
On a similar note, we don't have a day of fast and abstinence this year because it falls on a Sunday, correct?
"Anything, but sedevacantism"

(If you are open to sedevacantism and not a rabid anti-sede, then this is not about you)
 

Nctradcath

Re: Vigil of Christmas or Fourth Sunday of Advent?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2017, 05:30:11 PM »
Christmas Eve is not a day of fast or abstinence because it is a Sunday.
 
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Nctradcath

Re: Vigil of Christmas or Fourth Sunday of Advent?
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2017, 05:30:49 PM »
Tommorrow is an Ember day so it is a day of fast and partial abstinence.