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annamack

Re: New to the forum
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2017, 05:14:25 PM »
Yay awkwardcustomer has made it here!  Welcome!

As a side note re: this thread, I have been guilty of it in the past, but perhaps we could all try to avoid turning introduction threads into theological debate threads? Mith, what do you think?

Perhaps it can be moved to its own thread, to be continued there.

Except, haven't we been over the whole Vinny Zee thing in tortuous detail on his introductory thread...?  And, like you, I really don't know what's so difficult to understand about the Eastern Rite Catholics being no alternative to the NO, since they are part of the NO!
 
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Vinny Zee

Re: New to the forum
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2017, 06:54:20 PM »
Yay awkwardcustomer has made it here!  Welcome!

As a side note re: this thread, I have been guilty of it in the past, but perhaps we could all try to avoid turning introduction threads into theological debate threads? Mith, what do you think?

Perhaps it can be moved to its own thread, to be continued there.

Except, haven't we been over the whole Vinny Zee thing in tortuous detail on his introductory thread...?  And, like you, I really don't know what's so difficult to understand about the Eastern Rite Catholics being no alternative to the NO, since they are part of the NO!

No, we have not even begun to scratch the surface. I don't recall any detail, let alone "tortuous" detail. What did you ever detail out? See my reply to Rubecorks regarding the mass and other comments on that topic. Either way, I was responding to a comment from the person who started the thread. Are you trying to tell me my comments are not valid or pertinent to the question he raised? You want to reduce 2000 years of church history (largely unchanged at all in the east) to one or two threads in a forum post, but you're not going to pin it in a corner as easy as you'd like. You're trying to boil everything to its lowest common denominator you think is, "N.O." and whatever you term as Novus Ordo you can just dismiss.
 

Vinny Zee

Re: New to the forum
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2017, 06:57:09 PM »
Yay awkwardcustomer has made it here!  Welcome!

As a side note re: this thread, I have been guilty of it in the past, but perhaps we could all try to avoid turning introduction threads into theological debate threads? Mith, what do you think?

Perhaps it can be moved to its own thread, to be continued there.

I'll move it to a new thread
 

Mysterium Fidei

Re: New to the forum
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2017, 07:36:50 PM »
Welcome to the forum awkwardcustomer. You were one of my favorite posters at SD, so I am glad that you are now here.
 

TKGS

Re: New to the forum
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2017, 07:46:43 PM »
Well if that is the case, then why can't Francis have all sorts of private non-Catholic nonsense to say and not remain pope?

If his "non-Catholic nonsense" was private the question wouldn't even be asked since no one would know anything about it.  The problem with Bergoglio is that his "non-Catholic nonsense" isn't private.  In fact, he has very officially promulgated his "non-Catholic nonsense" as the official teaching of his church, and, since his teachings are non-Catholic, then his church must not be the Catholic Church.
 
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annamack

Re: New to the forum
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2017, 01:32:17 PM »
Yay awkwardcustomer has made it here!  Welcome!

As a side note re: this thread, I have been guilty of it in the past, but perhaps we could all try to avoid turning introduction threads into theological debate threads? Mith, what do you think?

Perhaps it can be moved to its own thread, to be continued there.

Except, haven't we been over the whole Vinny Zee thing in tortuous detail on his introductory thread...?  And, like you, I really don't know what's so difficult to understand about the Eastern Rite Catholics being no alternative to the NO, since they are part of the NO!

No, we have not even begun to scratch the surface. I don't recall any detail, let alone "tortuous" detail. What did you ever detail out? See my reply to Rubecorks regarding the mass and other comments on that topic. Either way, I was responding to a comment from the person who started the thread. Are you trying to tell me my comments are not valid or pertinent to the question he raised? You want to reduce 2000 years of church history (largely unchanged at all in the east) to one or two threads in a forum post, but you're not going to pin it in a corner as easy as you'd like. You're trying to boil everything to its lowest common denominator you think is, "N.O." and whatever you term as Novus Ordo you can just dismiss.

If you continue to insist that groups who acknowledge Jorge as a true pope are any kind of alternative to Jorge then, no, your comments are not valid or pertinent - because they make no sense.  The Novus Ordo is Jorge and his adherents (which shouldn't be too difficult for anyone to understand) and, yes, being a sedevacantist, I dismiss them (it's kind of the point of sedevacantism).

I thought you were ignoring me, anyway?!
 
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Vinny Zee

Re: New to the forum
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2017, 12:08:26 AM »
Hello to all you wonderful people. As a convert of over 20 years, I've been through all the phases. Although it was obvious almost immediately that something terrible had happened to the Church, it took many years to untangle the confusion and come to the only conclusion - Sedevacantism - that makes any sense. 

I'm hoping that an alternative exists and we're not at the end. Unfortunately the end times scenario also seems to make sense, given that the 'one who holds has been taken out of the way'.

Meanwhile, a very Merry Christmas to you all.

Hello AC, Merry Christmas and I would like to say that an alternative does exist, and I believe it is still a real and valid alternative.  I am an Eastern Rite Catholic and I would like to just present a few points. One of the arguments of Sedevacantists is what they believe is the error of Cummunicatio in Sacris, which either launched or is the error that has caused the entire Western Rite to go into error. I leave it for them to exegete that.  However, Communicato in Sacris is only used twice in Unitatis redintegratio and in one of those usages, it relates to the Eastern Churches and notes what was always known, these churches possess true sacraments, apostolic succession, the priesthood and the Eucharist. We know this from history which predates Vatican II and the return of the Eastern Churches at the Union of Brest. Cumminicatio in sacris should be looked at as it is used according to Orientalium Ecclesiarium, because there is a fine point distinction when dealing with Eastern Rite Catholics and the return of Eastern Orthodox into communion with Rome (who are thus commanded to retain their eastern practices as I’ll cite below.) In the Union of Brest (1595) there are a few points in there that I want to mention from the treaty:

In point 15 of the union, "If in the future someone of our Religion should want to join the Roman Church, denying his own Religion and Ceremonies, let him not be accepted, since he is degrading the Ceremonies of the one Church of God, since, being already in one Church, we shall have one Pope."

This refers to Eastern Orthodox return to Rome. They should not abandon their Eastern Tradition. This is due to the fact Rome and the East agreed at the union that the eastern and latin rights, in communion, were one church. Therefore, the Eastern Orthodox did not have to become Latin Rite to come into the church.

In point 16,  "That marriages may freely take place between the Roman faithful and the Rus’ faithful, without any compulsion as to Religion, for both are already one Church."

Again, it is one church, two traditions, one church.

In point 31, "And when the Lord God by His will and holy grace shall permit the rest of our brothers of the Eastern Church of the Greek tradition to come to the holy unity with the Western Church, and later in this common union and by the permission of the Universal Church there should be any change in the ceremonies and Typicon of the Greek Church, we shall share all this as people of the same religion."

A union of the two would make one religion; one religion of their distinct traditions and practices.

Pope Benedict XIV On December 24, 1743, in the Constitution Demandatam, prevented the Latinization of the Meliktes and forbade Latin Rite clergy to induce Melkite Catholics to transfer to the Latin rite. Then Pope Leo XIII extended this prohibition to cover ALL Eastern Catholics.

On November 30, 1894, Pope Leo XIII issued the apostolic constitution Orientalium Dignitas and opened the letter with this:

“The Churches of the East are worthy of the glory and reverence that they hold throughout the whole of Christendom in virtue of those extremely ancient, singular memorials that they have bequeathed to us. For it was in that part of the world that the first actions for the redemption of the human race began, in accord with the all-kind plan of God. They swiftly gave forth their yield: there flowered in first blush the glories of preaching the True Faith to the nations, of martyrdom, and of holiness. They gave us the first joys of the fruits of salvation. From them has come a wondrously grand and powerful flood of benefits upon the other peoples of the world, no matter how far-flung. When blessed Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, intended to cast down the manifold wickedness of error and vice, in accord with the will of Heaven, he brought the light of divine Truth, the Gospel of peace, freedom in Christ to the metropolis of the Gentiles.”

Pope Leo XIII later declared, “It is Our will and decree that the aforesaid decree of Benedict XIV originally promulgated respecting the Greek Melkites, now apply globally to all the faithful of any Eastern rite whatever.”

Therefore, the return of any Eastern church (Eastern Orthodox) into communion with Rome is to retain its liturgy, practice and traditions.

Leading up to the time of Vatican II, the Catholic Church did not possess one rite only as there were 23 (sui iuris) Eastern Catholic churches that comprised the entire Catholic Church.

In the words of Pope Leo XIII and Pope Benedict XIV, the Eastern Rite Catholics (and thus any Eastern Orthodox who come into communion with Rome) were to retain their liturgies, customs and practices. So in relation to communicatio in sacris, what was related to the Eastern Churches in Orientalium Ecclesiarium was that, “Common participation in worship (communicatio in sacris) which harms the unity of the Church or involves formal acceptance of error or the danger of aberration in the faith, of scandal and indifferentism, is forbidden by divine law.” It is no secret that the Eastern Rite Catholics and Eastern Orthodox share the same liturgy, have the same customs and things that were once celebrated by those who when they were Eastern Orthodox retained their practices when they returned to communion. Eastern Churches that come into communion do not take on new sacraments, and the practices of their sacraments remain the same. We retain them because this is what the Eastern Catholics asked for and what the Popes demanded. So when Eastern Rite Catholics talk with Eastern Orthodox, this is what we can point to as this is often a point of concern for them. What is harmful, (or schismatic) is not left for “religious liberty” but is forbidden. We do not encourage the Eastern Orthodox to remain schismatic out of “religious liberty!”

Therefore any "innovations" brought to us in the Eastern Rite, which debases or tries to change our traditions or convert us to the “Novus Ordo” in any fashion, we have the permission to oppose and we can oppose. Pope Leo XIII declared, “Any Latin rite missionary, whether of the secular or religious clergy, who induces with his advice or assistance any Eastern rite faithful to transfer to the Latin rite, will be deposed and excluded from his benefice in addition to the ipso facto suspension a divinis and other punishments that he will incur as imposed in the aforesaid Constitution Demandatam. That this decree stand fixed and lasting We order a copy of it be posted openly in the churches of the Latin rite.”

So if the Latin Rite is the Novus Ordo, we do not have to accept it by converting to it and they cannot require us to convert to it. If the Latin Rite is the Sedevacantist/Traditional Catholic Church, we still retain our Rite, Customs, Practices and whatever else belongs to the east. You cannot force an Eastern Rite Catholic to convert to whatever the Latin Rite is, be it the Traditionalist/Sedevacantist or the Novus Ordo. We retain our rite either way. This was not undone by Orientalium Ecclesiarum or any other Vatican II document or decree.

The Novus Ordo cannot bring their innovations to the East and if they attempt to, they are deposed and we, by right, can reject it. We don’t have the same issue of “rejection” I suppose “traditionalists” have when they refuse to follow Pope Francis. The Vatican II changes happened to the Western Rite.

Second, there has always been a call for the Eastern Orthodox to come into communion and not to continue practicing “religious liberty.” The call for the Eastern Orthodox to come home to communion with Rome far preceded Vatican II. I think there is a narrow scope in the relation between Eastern Rite Catholics and Eastern Orthodox and it is to the Eastern Rite to handle this relationship in the proper manner. In the final analysis, our sacraments, rites and even our priesthood is still valid.

I have no issue with the Eastern Catholic rites. Are you suggesting that Sedevacantists become Eastern Catholics?

Your post gave many interesting facts. If Eastern Catholics are free to refuse the imposition of the Roman Rite, how have they responded to Vatican II, bearing in mind that the Novus Ordo isn't the Roman Rite but an imposter.

Are there any Eastern Rite Sedevacantists?

Should a Sedevacantist become an Eastern Catholic? I don't think a Sedevacantist can become anything while they are still a Sedevacantist. Sorry. What are you going to do when you go to the Divine Liturgy when we pray for the Pope of Rome? I suppose a Sede could be like the Dimond Brothers. I think they attend Eastern Rite Liturgy, but I am not sure what they do during the liturgy when we pray for the Pope, Bishop, Deacons, etc.  However, all this vitriol from Sedevacantists that the Eastern Catholic Rite is not a suitable alternative to the Novus Ordo has caused you to be pigeon holed. Most importantly, as I have advocated and tried to show, the Eastern Rite is not an "alternative" as if it is a different church. As I showed from the Union of Brest, it was agreed it is the same church. This was confirmed and reconfirmed by Pope after Pope. I guess it is like going from your dining room to your living room to your bedroom. It is all in the same house. What good is it to come and receive the sacraments from those with whom you will withhold consent to be in communion with? I am sorry, I see this as a form of Protestantism (note I said only a form of.) Many Protestants go to various churches, withholding consent of any authority of a particular pastor or Church, but remain within its communion. Well what are they doing there then is what I would ask?

In closing, our Catechism states, "The Church reveals that she is Catholic when she gathers the community of faithful around the Eucharistic Table. The assembled community of the Church creates the Eucharist, and the Eucharist creates the Church. This happens in the communion of the faithful with Christ and of the faithful with each other: And what do they become who partake of it? The Body of Christ: not many bodies, but one body. For as the bread consisting of many grains is made one ... so are we conjoined both with each other and with Christ."

"Do not pray that things may be according to your desires, for your desires are not always in keeping with the will of God. It is better to pray as you were taught, saying: "Thy will be done" (Matthew 6:10). Pray in this way about all things, for He always desires what is good and profitable for your soul, whereas you do not always seek it." - Saint Nilus of Mount Sinai: 153 Texts on Prayer

Blessings be upon you for this Christmas.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2017, 12:11:04 AM by Vinny Zee »
 

awkwardcustomer

Re: New to the forum
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2017, 03:11:21 AM »
Vinny Zee, you quoted the following,

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In closing, our Catechism states, "The Church reveals that she is Catholic when she gathers the community of faithful around the Eucharistic Table. The assembled community of the Church creates the Eucharist, and the Eucharist creates the Church. 

This is Vatican II poison pure and simple. As an Eastern rite Catholic, the Roman Rite cannot be imposed on you. But if you accept the Conciliar 'popes' as Popes you have to swallow the poison nevertheless.

Eastern Rite Catholics might have their own liturgy. But if you accept that the 'assembled community of the Church creates the Eucharist', then you are in the same theological position as the Novus Ordo Catholic.
 
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Voxxkowalski

Re: New to the forum
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2017, 09:44:14 AM »
Hello to all you wonderful people. As a convert of over 20 years, I've been through all the phases. Although it was obvious almost immediately that something terrible had happened to the Church, it took many years to untangle the confusion and come to the only conclusion - Sedevacantism - that makes any sense. 

I'm hoping that an alternative exists and we're not at the end. Unfortunately the end times scenario also seems to make sense, given that the 'one who holds has been taken out of the way'.

Meanwhile, a very Merry Christmas to you all.

Hello AC, Merry Christmas and I would like to say that an alternative does exist, and I believe it is still a real and valid alternative.  I am an Eastern Rite Catholic and I would like to just present a few points. One of the arguments of Sedevacantists is what they believe is the error of Cummunicatio in Sacris, which either launched or is the error that has caused the entire Western Rite to go into error. I leave it for them to exegete that.  However, Communicato in Sacris is only used twice in Unitatis redintegratio and in one of those usages, it relates to the Eastern Churches and notes what was always known, these churches possess true sacraments, apostolic succession, the priesthood and the Eucharist. We know this from history which predates Vatican II and the return of the Eastern Churches at the Union of Brest. Cumminicatio in sacris should be looked at as it is used according to Orientalium Ecclesiarium, because there is a fine point distinction when dealing with Eastern Rite Catholics and the return of Eastern Orthodox into communion with Rome (who are thus commanded to retain their eastern practices as I’ll cite below.) In the Union of Brest (1595) there are a few points in there that I want to mention from the treaty:

In point 15 of the union, "If in the future someone of our Religion should want to join the Roman Church, denying his own Religion and Ceremonies, let him not be accepted, since he is degrading the Ceremonies of the one Church of God, since, being already in one Church, we shall have one Pope."

This refers to Eastern Orthodox return to Rome. They should not abandon their Eastern Tradition. This is due to the fact Rome and the East agreed at the union that the eastern and latin rights, in communion, were one church. Therefore, the Eastern Orthodox did not have to become Latin Rite to come into the church.

In point 16,  "That marriages may freely take place between the Roman faithful and the Rus’ faithful, without any compulsion as to Religion, for both are already one Church."

Again, it is one church, two traditions, one church.

In point 31, "And when the Lord God by His will and holy grace shall permit the rest of our brothers of the Eastern Church of the Greek tradition to come to the holy unity with the Western Church, and later in this common union and by the permission of the Universal Church there should be any change in the ceremonies and Typicon of the Greek Church, we shall share all this as people of the same religion."

A union of the two would make one religion; one religion of their distinct traditions and practices.

Pope Benedict XIV On December 24, 1743, in the Constitution Demandatam, prevented the Latinization of the Meliktes and forbade Latin Rite clergy to induce Melkite Catholics to transfer to the Latin rite. Then Pope Leo XIII extended this prohibition to cover ALL Eastern Catholics.

On November 30, 1894, Pope Leo XIII issued the apostolic constitution Orientalium Dignitas and opened the letter with this:

“The Churches of the East are worthy of the glory and reverence that they hold throughout the whole of Christendom in virtue of those extremely ancient, singular memorials that they have bequeathed to us. For it was in that part of the world that the first actions for the redemption of the human race began, in accord with the all-kind plan of God. They swiftly gave forth their yield: there flowered in first blush the glories of preaching the True Faith to the nations, of martyrdom, and of holiness. They gave us the first joys of the fruits of salvation. From them has come a wondrously grand and powerful flood of benefits upon the other peoples of the world, no matter how far-flung. When blessed Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, intended to cast down the manifold wickedness of error and vice, in accord with the will of Heaven, he brought the light of divine Truth, the Gospel of peace, freedom in Christ to the metropolis of the Gentiles.”

Pope Leo XIII later declared, “It is Our will and decree that the aforesaid decree of Benedict XIV originally promulgated respecting the Greek Melkites, now apply globally to all the faithful of any Eastern rite whatever.”

Therefore, the return of any Eastern church (Eastern Orthodox) into communion with Rome is to retain its liturgy, practice and traditions.

Leading up to the time of Vatican II, the Catholic Church did not possess one rite only as there were 23 (sui iuris) Eastern Catholic churches that comprised the entire Catholic Church.

In the words of Pope Leo XIII and Pope Benedict XIV, the Eastern Rite Catholics (and thus any Eastern Orthodox who come into communion with Rome) were to retain their liturgies, customs and practices. So in relation to communicatio in sacris, what was related to the Eastern Churches in Orientalium Ecclesiarium was that, “Common participation in worship (communicatio in sacris) which harms the unity of the Church or involves formal acceptance of error or the danger of aberration in the faith, of scandal and indifferentism, is forbidden by divine law.” It is no secret that the Eastern Rite Catholics and Eastern Orthodox share the same liturgy, have the same customs and things that were once celebrated by those who when they were Eastern Orthodox retained their practices when they returned to communion. Eastern Churches that come into communion do not take on new sacraments, and the practices of their sacraments remain the same. We retain them because this is what the Eastern Catholics asked for and what the Popes demanded. So when Eastern Rite Catholics talk with Eastern Orthodox, this is what we can point to as this is often a point of concern for them. What is harmful, (or schismatic) is not left for “religious liberty” but is forbidden. We do not encourage the Eastern Orthodox to remain schismatic out of “religious liberty!”

Therefore any "innovations" brought to us in the Eastern Rite, which debases or tries to change our traditions or convert us to the “Novus Ordo” in any fashion, we have the permission to oppose and we can oppose. Pope Leo XIII declared, “Any Latin rite missionary, whether of the secular or religious clergy, who induces with his advice or assistance any Eastern rite faithful to transfer to the Latin rite, will be deposed and excluded from his benefice in addition to the ipso facto suspension a divinis and other punishments that he will incur as imposed in the aforesaid Constitution Demandatam. That this decree stand fixed and lasting We order a copy of it be posted openly in the churches of the Latin rite.”

So if the Latin Rite is the Novus Ordo, we do not have to accept it by converting to it and they cannot require us to convert to it. If the Latin Rite is the Sedevacantist/Traditional Catholic Church, we still retain our Rite, Customs, Practices and whatever else belongs to the east. You cannot force an Eastern Rite Catholic to convert to whatever the Latin Rite is, be it the Traditionalist/Sedevacantist or the Novus Ordo. We retain our rite either way. This was not undone by Orientalium Ecclesiarum or any other Vatican II document or decree.

The Novus Ordo cannot bring their innovations to the East and if they attempt to, they are deposed and we, by right, can reject it. We don’t have the same issue of “rejection” I suppose “traditionalists” have when they refuse to follow Pope Francis. The Vatican II changes happened to the Western Rite.

Second, there has always been a call for the Eastern Orthodox to come into communion and not to continue practicing “religious liberty.” The call for the Eastern Orthodox to come home to communion with Rome far preceded Vatican II. I think there is a narrow scope in the relation between Eastern Rite Catholics and Eastern Orthodox and it is to the Eastern Rite to handle this relationship in the proper manner. In the final analysis, our sacraments, rites and even our priesthood is still valid.

I have no issue with the Eastern Catholic rites. Are you suggesting that Sedevacantists become Eastern Catholics?

Your post gave many interesting facts. If Eastern Catholics are free to refuse the imposition of the Roman Rite, how have they responded to Vatican II, bearing in mind that the Novus Ordo isn't the Roman Rite but an imposter.

Are there any Eastern Rite Sedevacantists?

Should a Sedevacantist become an Eastern Catholic? I don't think a Sedevacantist can become anything while they are still a Sedevacantist. Sorry. What are you going to do when you go to the Divine Liturgy when we pray for the Pope of Rome? I suppose a Sede could be like the Dimond Brothers. I think they attend Eastern Rite Liturgy, but I am not sure what they do during the liturgy when we pray for the Pope, Bishop, Deacons, etc.  However, all this vitriol from Sedevacantists that the Eastern Catholic Rite is not a suitable alternative to the Novus Ordo has caused you to be pigeon holed. Most importantly, as I have advocated and tried to show, the Eastern Rite is not an "alternative" as if it is a different church. As I showed from the Union of Brest, it was agreed it is the same church. This was confirmed and reconfirmed by Pope after Pope. I guess it is like going from your dining room to your living room to your bedroom. It is all in the same house. What good is it to come and receive the sacraments from those with whom you will withhold consent to be in communion with? I am sorry, I see this as a form of Protestantism (note I said only a form of.) Many Protestants go to various churches, withholding consent of any authority of a particular pastor or Church, but remain within its communion. Well what are they doing there then is what I would ask?

In closing, our Catechism states, "The Church reveals that she is Catholic when she gathers the community of faithful around the Eucharistic Table. The assembled community of the Church creates the Eucharist, and the Eucharist creates the Church. This happens in the communion of the faithful with Christ and of the faithful with each other: And what do they become who partake of it? The Body of Christ: not many bodies, but one body. For as the bread consisting of many grains is made one ... so are we conjoined both with each other and with Christ."

"Do not pray that things may be according to your desires, for your desires are not always in keeping with the will of God. It is better to pray as you were taught, saying: "Thy will be done" (Matthew 6:10). Pray in this way about all things, for He always desires what is good and profitable for your soul, whereas you do not always seek it." - Saint Nilus of Mount Sinai: 153 Texts on Prayer

Blessings be upon you for this Christmas.
sedevacantism doesnt exclude you from the DL...they ask the Lord to have Mercy. We do not pray for unity with him. And since hes a heretic he eeds Gods mercy
 

Vinny Zee

Re: New to the forum
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2017, 01:36:50 PM »
Hello to all you wonderful people. As a convert of over 20 years, I've been through all the phases. Although it was obvious almost immediately that something terrible had happened to the Church, it took many years to untangle the confusion and come to the only conclusion - Sedevacantism - that makes any sense. 

I'm hoping that an alternative exists and we're not at the end. Unfortunately the end times scenario also seems to make sense, given that the 'one who holds has been taken out of the way'.

Meanwhile, a very Merry Christmas to you all.

Hello AC, Merry Christmas and I would like to say that an alternative does exist, and I believe it is still a real and valid alternative.  I am an Eastern Rite Catholic and I would like to just present a few points. One of the arguments of Sedevacantists is what they believe is the error of Cummunicatio in Sacris, which either launched or is the error that has caused the entire Western Rite to go into error. I leave it for them to exegete that.  However, Communicato in Sacris is only used twice in Unitatis redintegratio and in one of those usages, it relates to the Eastern Churches and notes what was always known, these churches possess true sacraments, apostolic succession, the priesthood and the Eucharist. We know this from history which predates Vatican II and the return of the Eastern Churches at the Union of Brest. Cumminicatio in sacris should be looked at as it is used according to Orientalium Ecclesiarium, because there is a fine point distinction when dealing with Eastern Rite Catholics and the return of Eastern Orthodox into communion with Rome (who are thus commanded to retain their eastern practices as I’ll cite below.) In the Union of Brest (1595) there are a few points in there that I want to mention from the treaty:

In point 15 of the union, "If in the future someone of our Religion should want to join the Roman Church, denying his own Religion and Ceremonies, let him not be accepted, since he is degrading the Ceremonies of the one Church of God, since, being already in one Church, we shall have one Pope."

This refers to Eastern Orthodox return to Rome. They should not abandon their Eastern Tradition. This is due to the fact Rome and the East agreed at the union that the eastern and latin rights, in communion, were one church. Therefore, the Eastern Orthodox did not have to become Latin Rite to come into the church.

In point 16,  "That marriages may freely take place between the Roman faithful and the Rus’ faithful, without any compulsion as to Religion, for both are already one Church."

Again, it is one church, two traditions, one church.

In point 31, "And when the Lord God by His will and holy grace shall permit the rest of our brothers of the Eastern Church of the Greek tradition to come to the holy unity with the Western Church, and later in this common union and by the permission of the Universal Church there should be any change in the ceremonies and Typicon of the Greek Church, we shall share all this as people of the same religion."

A union of the two would make one religion; one religion of their distinct traditions and practices.

Pope Benedict XIV On December 24, 1743, in the Constitution Demandatam, prevented the Latinization of the Meliktes and forbade Latin Rite clergy to induce Melkite Catholics to transfer to the Latin rite. Then Pope Leo XIII extended this prohibition to cover ALL Eastern Catholics.

On November 30, 1894, Pope Leo XIII issued the apostolic constitution Orientalium Dignitas and opened the letter with this:

“The Churches of the East are worthy of the glory and reverence that they hold throughout the whole of Christendom in virtue of those extremely ancient, singular memorials that they have bequeathed to us. For it was in that part of the world that the first actions for the redemption of the human race began, in accord with the all-kind plan of God. They swiftly gave forth their yield: there flowered in first blush the glories of preaching the True Faith to the nations, of martyrdom, and of holiness. They gave us the first joys of the fruits of salvation. From them has come a wondrously grand and powerful flood of benefits upon the other peoples of the world, no matter how far-flung. When blessed Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, intended to cast down the manifold wickedness of error and vice, in accord with the will of Heaven, he brought the light of divine Truth, the Gospel of peace, freedom in Christ to the metropolis of the Gentiles.”

Pope Leo XIII later declared, “It is Our will and decree that the aforesaid decree of Benedict XIV originally promulgated respecting the Greek Melkites, now apply globally to all the faithful of any Eastern rite whatever.”

Therefore, the return of any Eastern church (Eastern Orthodox) into communion with Rome is to retain its liturgy, practice and traditions.

Leading up to the time of Vatican II, the Catholic Church did not possess one rite only as there were 23 (sui iuris) Eastern Catholic churches that comprised the entire Catholic Church.

In the words of Pope Leo XIII and Pope Benedict XIV, the Eastern Rite Catholics (and thus any Eastern Orthodox who come into communion with Rome) were to retain their liturgies, customs and practices. So in relation to communicatio in sacris, what was related to the Eastern Churches in Orientalium Ecclesiarium was that, “Common participation in worship (communicatio in sacris) which harms the unity of the Church or involves formal acceptance of error or the danger of aberration in the faith, of scandal and indifferentism, is forbidden by divine law.” It is no secret that the Eastern Rite Catholics and Eastern Orthodox share the same liturgy, have the same customs and things that were once celebrated by those who when they were Eastern Orthodox retained their practices when they returned to communion. Eastern Churches that come into communion do not take on new sacraments, and the practices of their sacraments remain the same. We retain them because this is what the Eastern Catholics asked for and what the Popes demanded. So when Eastern Rite Catholics talk with Eastern Orthodox, this is what we can point to as this is often a point of concern for them. What is harmful, (or schismatic) is not left for “religious liberty” but is forbidden. We do not encourage the Eastern Orthodox to remain schismatic out of “religious liberty!”

Therefore any "innovations" brought to us in the Eastern Rite, which debases or tries to change our traditions or convert us to the “Novus Ordo” in any fashion, we have the permission to oppose and we can oppose. Pope Leo XIII declared, “Any Latin rite missionary, whether of the secular or religious clergy, who induces with his advice or assistance any Eastern rite faithful to transfer to the Latin rite, will be deposed and excluded from his benefice in addition to the ipso facto suspension a divinis and other punishments that he will incur as imposed in the aforesaid Constitution Demandatam. That this decree stand fixed and lasting We order a copy of it be posted openly in the churches of the Latin rite.”

So if the Latin Rite is the Novus Ordo, we do not have to accept it by converting to it and they cannot require us to convert to it. If the Latin Rite is the Sedevacantist/Traditional Catholic Church, we still retain our Rite, Customs, Practices and whatever else belongs to the east. You cannot force an Eastern Rite Catholic to convert to whatever the Latin Rite is, be it the Traditionalist/Sedevacantist or the Novus Ordo. We retain our rite either way. This was not undone by Orientalium Ecclesiarum or any other Vatican II document or decree.

The Novus Ordo cannot bring their innovations to the East and if they attempt to, they are deposed and we, by right, can reject it. We don’t have the same issue of “rejection” I suppose “traditionalists” have when they refuse to follow Pope Francis. The Vatican II changes happened to the Western Rite.

Second, there has always been a call for the Eastern Orthodox to come into communion and not to continue practicing “religious liberty.” The call for the Eastern Orthodox to come home to communion with Rome far preceded Vatican II. I think there is a narrow scope in the relation between Eastern Rite Catholics and Eastern Orthodox and it is to the Eastern Rite to handle this relationship in the proper manner. In the final analysis, our sacraments, rites and even our priesthood is still valid.

I have no issue with the Eastern Catholic rites. Are you suggesting that Sedevacantists become Eastern Catholics?

Your post gave many interesting facts. If Eastern Catholics are free to refuse the imposition of the Roman Rite, how have they responded to Vatican II, bearing in mind that the Novus Ordo isn't the Roman Rite but an imposter.

Are there any Eastern Rite Sedevacantists?

Should a Sedevacantist become an Eastern Catholic? I don't think a Sedevacantist can become anything while they are still a Sedevacantist. Sorry. What are you going to do when you go to the Divine Liturgy when we pray for the Pope of Rome? I suppose a Sede could be like the Dimond Brothers. I think they attend Eastern Rite Liturgy, but I am not sure what they do during the liturgy when we pray for the Pope, Bishop, Deacons, etc.  However, all this vitriol from Sedevacantists that the Eastern Catholic Rite is not a suitable alternative to the Novus Ordo has caused you to be pigeon holed. Most importantly, as I have advocated and tried to show, the Eastern Rite is not an "alternative" as if it is a different church. As I showed from the Union of Brest, it was agreed it is the same church. This was confirmed and reconfirmed by Pope after Pope. I guess it is like going from your dining room to your living room to your bedroom. It is all in the same house. What good is it to come and receive the sacraments from those with whom you will withhold consent to be in communion with? I am sorry, I see this as a form of Protestantism (note I said only a form of.) Many Protestants go to various churches, withholding consent of any authority of a particular pastor or Church, but remain within its communion. Well what are they doing there then is what I would ask?

In closing, our Catechism states, "The Church reveals that she is Catholic when she gathers the community of faithful around the Eucharistic Table. The assembled community of the Church creates the Eucharist, and the Eucharist creates the Church. This happens in the communion of the faithful with Christ and of the faithful with each other: And what do they become who partake of it? The Body of Christ: not many bodies, but one body. For as the bread consisting of many grains is made one ... so are we conjoined both with each other and with Christ."

"Do not pray that things may be according to your desires, for your desires are not always in keeping with the will of God. It is better to pray as you were taught, saying: "Thy will be done" (Matthew 6:10). Pray in this way about all things, for He always desires what is good and profitable for your soul, whereas you do not always seek it." - Saint Nilus of Mount Sinai: 153 Texts on Prayer

Blessings be upon you for this Christmas.
sedevacantism doesnt exclude you from the DL...they ask the Lord to have Mercy. We do not pray for unity with him. And since hes a heretic he eeds Gods mercy

When did I say it excluded him? I asked him how he would handle it or what he'd do?