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tmw89

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2017, 11:56:14 PM »
A reluctant topic -and feel free to delete the thread Mith if you do not want it to pollute your forum- but does this stupidity have more, or less, appeal among sedes than say, the general R&R crowd?

I am glad that when this topic was brought up, it was properly identified for what it is: stupidity.  The Flat Earth crap is stupid, through and through.  It's the kind of nonsense I'd expect from Fundie Prots who are under the influence of a particularly eccentric (and stupid) "preacher."  This nonsense should be given no appearance of toleration (let alone approval!) in the Trad community.
 
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Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2017, 12:43:01 AM »
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Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2017, 01:51:27 AM »
Dude you are truly troubled  :pot:
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annamack

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2017, 07:33:06 AM »
Yes, I agree that to a certain extent all traditional Catholics believe in one huge conspiracy theory, but I would bet that if someone was a Flat Earther, they are probably also a 9/11 conspiracist, etc or will become one.

The Flat-Earthers are just not very bright (witness meathead Freddie Flintoff, the latest "celeb" to espouse the theory).  That doesn't mean that all conspiracy theories are stupid.  Can anyone with half a brain seriously still think that Oswald acted alone?  Or that there wasn't something extremely odd about "Building 7"?  It's not smart to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 

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Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2017, 08:04:41 AM »
Yes, I agree that to a certain extent all traditional Catholics believe in one huge conspiracy theory, but I would bet that if someone was a Flat Earther, they are probably also a 9/11 conspiracist, etc or will become one.

The Flat-Earthers are just not very bright (witness meathead Freddie Flintoff, the latest "celeb" to espouse the theory).  That doesn't mean that all conspiracy theories are stupid.  Can anyone with half a brain seriously still think that Oswald acted alone?  Or that there wasn't something extremely odd about "Building 7"?  It's not smart to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I would be careful about calling them "stupid".  I happen to know someone who is reading a book about it (although has not decided one way or the other).  I can assure you that he is not stupid.  I really think something else is going on there.  Perhaps a lack of trust in the "establishment".
"Anything, but sedevacantism"

(If you are open to sedevacantism and not a rabid anti-sede, then this is not about you)
 
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Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2017, 08:29:55 AM »
A reluctant topic -and feel free to delete the thread Mith if you do not want it to pollute your forum- but does this stupidity have more, or less, appeal among sedes than say, the general R&R crowd?

I am glad that when this topic was brought up, it was properly identified for what it is: stupidity.  The Flat Earth crap is stupid, through and through.  It's the kind of nonsense I'd expect from Fundie Prots who are under the influence of a particularly eccentric (and stupid) "preacher."  This nonsense should be given no appearance of toleration (let alone approval!) in the Trad community.

I have suspected that these people who push the flat earth on a Catholic forum, are there to get their jollies to make traditional Catholics look foolish. I get the feeling it's a sort of sophomoric "creative anachronism" type of fun. Matthew McDevitt has admitted to liking eccentric people, so his site has become a haven for them.

 
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Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2017, 11:09:07 AM »


I would be careful about calling them "stupid".  I happen to know someone who is reading a book about it (although has not decided one way or the other).  I can assure you that he is not stupid.  I really think something else is going on there.  Perhaps a lack of trust in the "establishment".


No doubt when he finishes reading his book, he will realise what a stupid belief it is.  Don't we all have a "lack of trust in the establishment"?  It would be pretty stupid to have trust in it!
 

GPRW

Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2017, 01:16:28 PM »
A reluctant topic -and feel free to delete the thread Mith if you do not want it to pollute your forum- but does this stupidity have more, or less, appeal among sedes than say, the general R&R crowd?

I have a reason for asking:

If the general public would consider the sede position a more radical position than R&R, I am wondering if other radical positions are also more likely to find a home among the same crowd, or, is the generally more intellectual sede crowd even more intolerant of this flat earth insanity?

Honestly, I do not feel so. Actually, I think neither Sedevacantist nor R-R-ers are particularly interested in this thing. This is much more of an Evangelical/Fundamentalist thing, from my observation. So the quick answer to your question is no, in my opinion.

Also, I do not see why the general public see Sedes and R-R-ers differently. For the general public, both campus are very anti-Obama, pro-life, anti-Jew/Judaism, anti-Muslim/Islam, anti-establishment (Vatican, Fed, etc), both think the current Popes ("Popes") to be too liberal, far-right "gun nuts", and so on. There are members from both camps to be listed as "hate groups".

If you really want to name one conspiracy theory that Sedes are more subscribed to than the R-R-ers, I would say "Holocaust/Holohoax". From the Sedes I know, pretty much everyone has expressed problems with the official narrative, ranging from soft doubt to hard rejection. A number of R-R-ers, on the other hand, do not express too much resentment to the official narrative, so I assume they are either accepting or just not too interested. Like the Sedes, however, the R-R-ers are not fans of the (((Juden))).

(For the Six Quintillion Jews thing, I personally would not say it is a hoax, but I definitely have my strong doubt here.)
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Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2017, 01:33:28 PM »
A reluctant topic -and feel free to delete the thread Mith if you do not want it to pollute your forum- but does this stupidity have more, or less, appeal among sedes than say, the general R&R crowd?

I have a reason for asking:

If the general public would consider the sede position a more radical position than R&R, I am wondering if other radical positions are also more likely to find a home among the same crowd, or, is the generally more intellectual sede crowd even more intolerant of this flat earth insanity?

Honestly, I do not feel so. Actually, I think neither Sedevacantist nor R-R-ers are particularly interested in this thing. This is much more of an Evangelical/Fundamentalist thing, from my observation. So the quick answer to your question is no, in my opinion.

Also, I do not see why the general public see Sedes and R-R-ers differently. For the general public, both campus are very anti-Obama, pro-life, anti-Jew/Judaism, anti-Muslim/Islam, anti-establishment (Vatican, Fed, etc), both think the current Popes ("Popes") to be too liberal, far-right "gun nuts", and so on. There are members from both camps to be listed as "hate groups".

If you really want to name one conspiracy theory that Sedes are more subscribed to than the R-R-ers, I would say "Holocaust/Holohoax". From the Sedes I know, pretty much everyone has expressed problems with the official narrative, ranging from soft doubt to hard rejection. A number of R-R-ers, on the other hand, do not express too much resentment to the official narrative, so I assume they are either accepting or just not too interested. Like the Sedes, however, the R-R-ers are not fans of the (((Juden))).

(For the Six Quintillion Jews thing, I personally would not say it is a hoax, but I definitely have my strong doubt here.)

I think the way they treated Bp. Williamson concerning the Holocaust has created a great reluctance to criticize the facts pertaining to the Holocaust. The way the SSPX clergy disowned him gave a very strong message to the average spixxie.


 
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Re: Flat Earth
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2017, 03:07:45 PM »
Actually, I think neither Sedevacantist nor R-R-ers are particularly interested in this thing. This is much more of an Evangelical/Fundamentalist thing, from my observation. So the quick answer to your question is no, in my opinion.

Also, I do not see why the general public see Sedes and R-R-ers differently. For the general public, both campus are very anti-Obama, pro-life, anti-Jew/Judaism, anti-Muslim/Islam, anti-establishment (Vatican, Fed, etc), both think the current Popes ("Popes") to be too liberal, far-right "gun nuts", and so on. There are members from both camps to be listed as "hate groups".

If you really want to name one conspiracy theory that Sedes are more subscribed to than the R-R-ers, I would say "Holocaust/Holohoax". From the Sedes I know, pretty much everyone has expressed problems with the official narrative, ranging from soft doubt to hard rejection. A number of R-R-ers, on the other hand, do not express too much resentment to the official narrative, so I assume they are either accepting or just not too interested. Like the Sedes, however, the R-R-ers are not fans of the (((Juden))).

(For the Six Quintillion Jews thing, I personally would not say it is a hoax, but I definitely have my strong doubt here.)

The "Flat-Earth Community" is, I think, extremely small.  I didn't even know it was a thing until people started posting on CathInfo.  Initially, I thought it was a joke when I saw my first posts.  It took me a while to realize these people were serious.  Since the only "Flat-Earthers" I know are from CathInfo, I really have no idea what the demographics are of this group--other than that most (on CathInfo, anyway) seem to be dogmatic anti-sedevacatists.

I'm also not sure about the demographics of the "Holocaust/Holohoax" issue.  While Jews and others were identified for internment, forced labor, and other things, the pre-war population of Jews in Europe compared to the post-war population of Jews in Europe does not permit one to accept the six million deaths figure.  The fact that certain prominent Jews tried to fly that same figure after WWI doesn't really help make any of this believable.  In any event, I really don't seem a correlation between R&R/Sedevacantist and the position on this issue.
 
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