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What will the Restoration Look Like?
« on: October 17, 2017, 10:47:30 PM »
I am curious to survey people's opinions-- what specific signs would you consider as sufficing to show that the crisis is resolved, or at least, to show that certain  steps/events have been made that a resolution is (naturally) imminent? 

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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2017, 11:19:03 PM »
I believe the novus ordites (false clerics and laity) will just wither away from their already-vacant buildings.
I also think we will see a gathering (or post-gathering) of validly ordained Roman Catholic Bishops. Either a secret conclave or some way which guarantees the security of these high priests for the sake of Roman Catholic apostolic succession and of course licitness of orders.
True Catholic laity are just a handful.  Catholic priests, from the get-go will not need to occupy every parish worldwide. Possibly every Diocese.  I don't know how the logistics of it all would work. Oh yes, they will necessarily need to exorcise every church building where the novus ordo service was performed. Without exception. Beginning with the Vatican.





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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 07:43:59 AM »
A welcome sign / significant step might be a large statue of The Immaculate atop the Kremlin. I'd take that as a good sign. Not holding my breath.
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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 07:56:04 AM »
A pontiff that in union with all the bishops consecrates Russia to the IHM. When that happens I will know without doubt that the crisis in the Church will end.
 

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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 09:42:51 AM »
How would one know whether or not Russia was consecrated?  Aren't there many who say that Pius XII did so? 
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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 09:50:58 AM »
I believe the novus ordites (false clerics and laity) will just wither away from their already-vacant buildings.
I also think we will see a gathering (or post-gathering) of validly ordained Roman Catholic Bishops. Either a secret conclave or some way which guarantees the security of these high priests for the sake of Roman Catholic apostolic succession and of course licitness of orders.
True Catholic laity are just a handful.  Catholic priests, from the get-go will not need to occupy every parish worldwide. Possibly every Diocese.  I don't know how the logistics of it all would work. Oh yes, they will necessarily need to exorcise every church building where the novus ordo service was performed. Without exception. Beginning with the Vatican.

So you think it will happen more or less organically-- that the Novus Ordo will basically "die out" and Catholic priests, bishops, etc. will step up and occupy those offices currently impeded by usurpers?
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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 12:09:54 PM »
A pontiff that in union with all the bishops consecrates Russia to the IHM. When that happens I will know without doubt that the crisis in the Church will end.

I say, just having a pope.
 

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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2017, 12:26:33 PM »
A pontiff that in union with all the bishops consecrates Russia to the IHM. When that happens I will know without doubt that the crisis in the Church will end.

I say, just having a pope.

That's definitely the most obvious answer-- what I'm asking is more "how will you know there is one?"  What will make you say "OK, this guy is actually pope?"

The crisis is bad for a lot of reasons.  But one which often gets overlooked is that it has led to the conditioning of the Catholic faithful to be suspicious of those who call themselves pope, bishop, or whatever else.  But when/if there is a pope again, he'll obviously call himself pope.  And we don't really know how to act toward a pope.  We do in theory, of course.  But not in praxis.  That's something we've been deprived of.
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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2017, 12:49:55 PM »
In regards to the consecration of Russia, it should be noted that there are differing schools of thought on the matter.  Bishop Pivarunas, at one of the Fatima Conferences, said that the Blessed Mother's words were a warning.  She said, consecrate Russia and certain things will happen.  She also said that if Russia were not consecrated, certain other things would happen, among those other things, a second war.  Looking back at history, we can see what happened.  Russia was not consecrated to Mary's Immaculate Heart and all of the things she warned of has already occurred. 

By the time Pope Pius XII made the consecration in 1942, the prime error of Russia, i.e., communism, had already spread.  In the United States it took the form of the New Deal.  In Germany, it took the form of National Socialism (I have never understood how anyone can say National Socialism is "right wing".  The only reason the National Socialists in Germany had conflicts with the Communists was because the leaders of each political party wanted to be in charge of the revolution!)  Furthermore, a second, even larger war had already begun.  The popes who were asked to make the consecration did not take action until it was too late.

Since what was warned would happen has already occurred, then why should we think that if the Church finally does consecrate Russia would all the good things will happen?  It's as if you're told to perform a task at work.  If you accomplish the task, you will be promoted but if you do not accomplish the task, you will be fired.  You don't perform the task so you're fired.  Even if you go back and perform the task, you've still been fired!
 
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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2017, 12:57:17 PM »

By the time Pope Pius XII made the consecration in 1942, the prime error of Russia, i.e., communism, had already spread.  In the United States it took the form of the New Deal.  In Germany, it took the form of National Socialism (I have never understood how anyone can say National Socialism is "right wing".  The only reason the National Socialists in Germany had conflicts with the Communists was because the leaders of each political party wanted to be in charge of the revolution!) 

Well put!
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