Author Topic: What will the Restoration Look Like?  (Read 1903 times)

Matto

Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2017, 01:57:12 PM »
Restoration? What if there is no restoration and we get the end of the world instead? But if we do get a restoration I cannot imagine how that would happen except for divine intervention or perhaps a nuclear war. Maybe Akita is right and fire will fall from the sky and kill most of us, or maybe if there is a nuclear war, people after such suffering will become sane again. I guess Fatima suggests there would be some kind of "peace" and the "triumph of the immaculate heart". So if that happens I would guess it would be after divine intervention by converting evil men or after a chastisement.
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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 02:07:57 PM »

By the time Pope Pius XII made the consecration in 1942, the prime error of Russia, i.e., communism, had already spread.  In the United States it took the form of the New Deal.  In Germany, it took the form of National Socialism (I have never understood how anyone can say National Socialism is "right wing".  The only reason the National Socialists in Germany had conflicts with the Communists was because the leaders of each political party wanted to be in charge of the revolution!) 

Well put!

Religion is another.
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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 02:10:05 PM »
I believe the novus ordites (false clerics and laity) will just wither away from their already-vacant buildings.
I also think we will see a gathering (or post-gathering) of validly ordained Roman Catholic Bishops. Either a secret conclave or some way which guarantees the security of these high priests for the sake of Roman Catholic apostolic succession and of course licitness of orders.
True Catholic laity are just a handful.  Catholic priests, from the get-go will not need to occupy every parish worldwide. Possibly every Diocese.  I don't know how the logistics of it all would work. Oh yes, they will necessarily need to exorcise every church building where the novus ordo service was performed. Without exception. Beginning with the Vatican.

So you think it will happen more or less organically-- that the Novus Ordo will basically "die out" and Catholic priests, bishops, etc. will step up and occupy those offices currently impeded by usurpers?

In my mind, the wheels will start rolling once a true Pope is elected. Again, in my mind, this will happen long before the usurpers vacate the buildings.

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Callixtus

Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2017, 02:51:17 PM »

By the time Pope Pius XII made the consecration in 1942, the prime error of Russia, i.e., communism, had already spread.  In the United States it took the form of the New Deal.  In Germany, it took the form of National Socialism (I have never understood how anyone can say National Socialism is "right wing".  The only reason the National Socialists in Germany had conflicts with the Communists was because the leaders of each political party wanted to be in charge of the revolution!) 

Well put!

Religion is another.

Socialists are notorious for infighting.  Trads are accused of being sanctimonious (in a bad way), but if you really want to see "sanctimony" (in a bad way), just look at any of them.  If Marx hadn't have had the support of the newly relocated and more clandestine Illuminati, I doubt it ever would have taken off.  Socialists will find something to fight about, and they'll kill each other over it.
 

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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2017, 03:27:19 PM »
Based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, I have believed for quite sometime that the restoration will not happen until after the Vatican is formally taken over by the Muslims and St. Peter's Basilica (and probably most of the basilicas of Rome) are completely gutted, whitewashed, and made into mosques.  Only until the Romans completely succumb to Islam, I think, will the traditional bishops--who are the successors of the apostles--be unified enough to elect a pope.

And though the Church is very small now, at that time even the world will think the Church is very small.  Yet, amid great persecution--real persecution--the Church will grow exponentially.

Either that, or the end of the world is very near at hand.
 
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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2017, 03:34:35 PM »
Restoration? What if there is no restoration and we get the end of the world instead? But if we do get a restoration I cannot imagine how that would happen except for divine intervention or perhaps a nuclear war. Maybe Akita is right and fire will fall from the sky and kill most of us, or maybe if there is a nuclear war, people after such suffering will become sane again. I guess Fatima suggests there would be some kind of "peace" and the "triumph of the immaculate heart". So if that happens I would guess it would be after divine intervention by converting evil men or after a chastisement.

Just joined.  This is what I tend to think.  That either there will be a new revelation of sorts, saints Peter and Paul coming down from clouds to sort everything out.  Or maybe instead, a nuclear war will wipe out 3/4 of the world's population, leaving mainly good Catholics behind.  Sort of like a rapture but not.
 

2Vermont

Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2017, 03:37:23 PM »
In regards to the consecration of Russia, it should be noted that there are differing schools of thought on the matter.  Bishop Pivarunas, at one of the Fatima Conferences, said that the Blessed Mother's words were a warning.  She said, consecrate Russia and certain things will happen.  She also said that if Russia were not consecrated, certain other things would happen, among those other things, a second war.  Looking back at history, we can see what happened.  Russia was not consecrated to Mary's Immaculate Heart and all of the things she warned of has already occurred. 

By the time Pope Pius XII made the consecration in 1942, the prime error of Russia, i.e., communism, had already spread.  In the United States it took the form of the New Deal.  In Germany, it took the form of National Socialism (I have never understood how anyone can say National Socialism is "right wing".  The only reason the National Socialists in Germany had conflicts with the Communists was because the leaders of each political party wanted to be in charge of the revolution!)  Furthermore, a second, even larger war had already begun.  The popes who were asked to make the consecration did not take action until it was too late.

Since what was warned would happen has already occurred, then why should we think that if the Church finally does consecrate Russia would all the good things will happen?  It's as if you're told to perform a task at work.  If you accomplish the task, you will be promoted but if you do not accomplish the task, you will be fired.  You don't perform the task so you're fired.  Even if you go back and perform the task, you've still been fired!

I know I would be considered a bad Catholic by some for saying this, but quite honestly I am so done with Fatima.  I am so tired of so many Catholics thinking it is the answer to everything.
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Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2017, 03:50:46 PM »
A pontiff that in union with all the bishops consecrates Russia to the IHM. When that happens I will know without doubt that the crisis in the Church will end.

I say, just having a pope.

That's definitely the most obvious answer-- what I'm asking is more "how will you know there is one?"  What will make you say "OK, this guy is actually pope?"

The crisis is bad for a lot of reasons.  But one which often gets overlooked is that it has led to the conditioning of the Catholic faithful to be suspicious of those who call themselves pope, bishop, or whatever else.  But when/if there is a pope again, he'll obviously call himself pope.  And we don't really know how to act toward a pope.  We do in theory, of course.  But not in praxis.  That's something we've been deprived of.

First and foremost the true pope will denounce Vatican II.
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Mysterium Fidei

Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2017, 04:43:32 PM »
In regards to the consecration of Russia, it should be noted that there are differing schools of thought on the matter.  Bishop Pivarunas, at one of the Fatima Conferences, said that the Blessed Mother's words were a warning.  She said, consecrate Russia and certain things will happen.  She also said that if Russia were not consecrated, certain other things would happen, among those other things, a second war.  Looking back at history, we can see what happened.  Russia was not consecrated to Mary's Immaculate Heart and all of the things she warned of has already occurred. 

By the time Pope Pius XII made the consecration in 1942, the prime error of Russia, i.e., communism, had already spread.  In the United States it took the form of the New Deal.  In Germany, it took the form of National Socialism (I have never understood how anyone can say National Socialism is "right wing".  The only reason the National Socialists in Germany had conflicts with the Communists was because the leaders of each political party wanted to be in charge of the revolution!)  Furthermore, a second, even larger war had already begun.  The popes who were asked to make the consecration did not take action until it was too late.

Since what was warned would happen has already occurred, then why should we think that if the Church finally does consecrate Russia would all the good things will happen?  It's as if you're told to perform a task at work.  If you accomplish the task, you will be promoted but if you do not accomplish the task, you will be fired.  You don't perform the task so you're fired.  Even if you go back and perform the task, you've still been fired!

I agree with this. The time to heed our Lady's warnings given in 1917 have come and gone. Russia has already spread its errors of Communism, Socialism and Atheism. We have already suffered the consequences of not heeding our Lady's warnings and there is no way (humanly speaking) to undo that.

At this point, I don't know what a restoration of the Church would look like short of Bergoglio or some future anti-pope having a St. Paul like conversion; waking up one morning and ordering a giant bonfire to be built in St. Peter's Square and gathering all the Cardinals and Bishops of Rome together and with great solemnity throwing all the documents of Vatican II and the Novus Ordo Missae into the fire.

I think it would take an act of Divine intervention at this point. Maybe we are near the end.
 

Rubecorks

Re: What will the Restoration Look Like?
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2017, 05:03:10 PM »
A pontiff that in union with all the bishops consecrates Russia to the IHM. When that happens I will know without doubt that the crisis in the Church will end.

I say, just having a pope.

That's definitely the most obvious answer-- what I'm asking is more "how will you know there is one?"  What will make you say "OK, this guy is actually pope?"

The crisis is bad for a lot of reasons.  But one which often gets overlooked is that it has led to the conditioning of the Catholic faithful to be suspicious of those who call themselves pope, bishop, or whatever else.  But when/if there is a pope again, he'll obviously call himself pope.  And we don't really know how to act toward a pope.  We do in theory, of course.  But not in praxis.  That's something we've been deprived of.

A true pope will give no countenance or confirmation to Vatican II and ecumenism. It will be obvious, though not necessarily immediately. Some weeks or months may go by where we are hesitatingly hopeful based on his developing words, acts and omissions.

 
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